Sunday, June 29, 2025

Welcome to the Show!


Welcome to The Hot Hero Sandwich Project, the online home of a research project documenting the 1979-1980 Emmy Award-winning NBC Saturday morning children’s educational entertainment television series, Hot Hero Sandwich.
 
Use the tabs on the left to navigate this extensive archive of articles, interviews, and video, or jump right into some of our most popular posts on right. If you're new, start with the Introduction and learn about the series in A Second Serving! and the FAQ tabs on left. The latest updates are noted in the Updates tab on the left and the Project Posts list on the right.

Our web address is: www.hotherosandwich.com 

— G. Jack Urso, Editor, The Hot Hero Sandwich Project


                          

                                   

Hot Hero Sandwich Project Archives: Group Photo

by G. Jack Urso
 
Hot Hero Sandwich cast, crew, and production staff, 1979.

When the Hot Hero Sandwich Project began, one of the first pictures series writer Sherry Coben sent me was the group photo (see Hot Hero Sandwich — A Second Serving! Part II: Production Notes and Broadcast History). The presence of rocker Rex Smith indicates is was taken during the filming of Episode10. The photographer was likely Al Levine, NBC Staff Photographer, who is seen in the finale of the Episode 11. The photo includes cast, production staff, Hot Hero Band members, stage crew, and writers. There are 63 people in the photo, but except for Bruce and Carole Hart, and about a half dozen others, most of the individuals in the photo were unknown. Working with former staff members of the show, most of the people in the photo have now been identified.

Al Levine, NBC Staff Photographer, screen shot from the finale of Hot Hero Sandwich, Episode 11.

As a historian, this unknown factor bothered me. My brief time in broadcasting as a technician when as a young man, as short as it was, gave me insight into the production process. What we see on air is the result of a collaborative process. Hot Hero Sandwich only had four weeks to produce all the studio segments for the eleven shows produced. Usually, about six production days might be devoted to an hour-long show. To fit so much work into such a short period of time is an effort requiring top professionals who were as experienced individually as they were working with each other. Indeed, many of the stage crew had before and after Hot Hero Sandwich worked together for NBC on various programs. Bruce and Carole Hart gathering everyone together for a group photo recognizes that effort. Here, we give names to the faces. 

With the assistance of several Hot Hero Sandwich alumni, including audio engineer Joel Spector, production staffer Claudia Rocco, writer Marianne Meyer, and Hot Hero Band drummer Mike Ratti, we now know the names of 46 of the 63 people in the photo.

In researching the crew’s work before and after the Hot Hero Sandwich, I found that for some of them, their experience goes back to the early days of TV, such as Audio Engineer Scott Schactler, at number 19, who worked on The Steve Allen Plymouth Show in the late 1950s. Others, went on to prestigious careers of their own, such as Production Assistant Liz Plonka, at number 14, became a noted director of comedy programs such as The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, and projects with Norm McDonald, David Spade, and Bill Nye, among many others.

Additionally, Graphic Artist David Kaestle, one of the influential early staffers for National Lampoon,turns up at number 28. Kaestle was hired as part of Pelligrini and Kaestle to design fonts, logos, and related design elements for show. According to conversations with Production Administrator Ken Aymong and Film Editor Patrick McMahon, Kaestle often stopped by to lend his personal touch to a last-minute need. At number 32 we have Set Designer Leo (Akira) Yoshimura, the long-time Production Designer for Saturday Night Live (Yoshimura designed the black and neon main stage set where the music performances took place).

Yet, there was a surprise in the photo that went unnoticed until Audio Engineer Joel Spector and Hot Hero Band Drummer Mike Ratti pointed it out to me. Joel Spector identified Hot Hero Music Director Felix Papplardi (Creem producer and bassist for Mountain), smiling and minus his trademark Fu Manchu mustache in the photo at number 12; additionally, as noted by Ratti, at number 15 is his wife Gail Collins. Pappalardi's and Collin's ill-fated relationship, which resulted in the former's death and the latter's imprisonment, is a tragic chapter in Rock history, and here they are in the Hot Hero Sandwich group photo. It is a remarkable find.

The original photo is included at the top of the article. A copy of the photo below with number boxes corresponds to the list below. You will notice several numbers (36, 39, and 45) are underlined. In a crowded area, this indicates that the individuals they are identifying are directly below the number box. Where available, links to the associated Internet Movie Database (IMDb) profile or to their associated interview with the Hot Hero Sandwich Project have been included.

If anyone knows the names of the remaining unidentified crew members, please reach out me via the Media Inquiries information (see link for more information). 

Hot Hero Sandwich cast, crew, and production staff, 1979.

Group Photo Names:

1. Tom Trbovich, Director

2. Howard Malley, Producer

3. Phil Hymes, Lighting Director

4. Bruce Hart, Executive Producer

5. Carole Hart, Consulting Producer

6. Rex Smith, Performer, Episode 10

7. Jarett Smithwrick, Actor

8. Nan-Lynn Nelson, Actor

9. Denny Dillon, Actor

10. James McKearnan (also credited in the IMDB as James McKearin and James McKearnin), Head Carpenter

11. Avonelle Pole, Production Staff

12. Felix Papplardi, Music Director 

13. Steve Rosen, Associate Director

14. Liz Plonka, Production Assistant

15. Gail Collins (wife of Felix Papalardi, #12)

16. Susan Kerber, Production Assistant

17. Richie Annunziato, Guitarist, Hot Hero Band

18. Claudia Rocco, Production Staff

19. Mike Ratti, Drummer, Hot Hero Band

20. Scott Schactler, Audio Engineer

21. Jack Keegan, Audio Assistant

22. Walt Werner, Video Engineer

23. Matt McCoy, Actor

24. Marianne Meyer, Writer

25. Barbara Kelly, Make-Up Artist

26. Sherry Coben, Writer

27. Eli Lulove, Videotape Engineer

28. Richard Camp, Writer

29. David Kaestle, Graphic Designer

30. Willie Day, Prop Master

31. Bill Kelley, Technical Director

32. Bailey Stortz, Crane Operator

33. Leo (Akira) Yoshimura, Set Designer

34. Vincent Kane, Foldback Engineer

35. Vincent DiPietro, Camera Operator

36. Carl Martin, Audio Assistant

37. Tom Dezendorf, Camera Operator

38. Robert (Bob) Van Ry, Stage Manager

39. Tom Barrett, Videotape Engineer

40. Michael Longfield (L. Michael Craig), Actor

41. Joel  Spector, Audio Engineer

42. John Pinto, Camera Operator

43. Al Gallo, Scenic Artist

44. Robert Newman, Senior Production Administrator

45. Dave Gould, Audio Engineer

46. Gene Martin, Camera Operator

 
                         

Thursday, June 5, 2025

Welcome to the Show!


Welcome to The Hot Hero Sandwich Project, the online home of a research project documenting the 1979-1980 Emmy Award-winning NBC Saturday morning children’s educational entertainment television series, Hot Hero Sandwich.
 
Use the tabs on the left to navigate this extensive archive of articles, interviews, and video, or jump right into some of our most popular posts on right. If you're new, start with the Introduction and learn about the series in A Second Serving! and the FAQ tabs on left. The latest updates are noted in the Updates tab on the left and the Project Posts list on the right.

Our web address is: www.hotherosandwich.com 

— G. Jack Urso, Editor, The Hot Hero Sandwich Project


                          

                                  

Hot Hero Sandwich Project Archives: New York Times Article, Sep. 2, 1979

by G. Jack Urso

Screenshot of original New York Times Article, Sep. 2, 1979. A more legible version (minus the cast picture) is provided below.
 
The New York Times article, “For Children, a Few Nuggets Amid the Cartoons,” Sept. 2, 1979, is deep dive into the then-current state of Saturday morning cartoons. Clocking in at a feature-length 2,073 words, the New York Times pulls in experts to analyze the industry and the target audience. Among the shows discussed for the Fall 1979 season is Hot Hero Sandwich. The transcription of the article is provided below along with images of the article.

Hot Hero Sandwich is only discussed in a couple paragraphs in this long article, but one thing of note is that the New York Times, printed Sep. 2, 1979, reports the series will debut on Oct. 20, 1979. The official series press release, however, dated Oct. 22, 1979, reports the start date was pushed forward to Nov. 10. This suggests that the start date was moved up after Sep. 2.

The Times article also reports the debut of Dr. Lee Salk’s Feelings (echoing the then-popular, and much-parodied, song of the same name), a 13‐part PBS series where Dr. Salk talks with children 7-14 about issues affecting kids, like divorce, drugs, and sexuality. Dr. Salk (brother of Dr. Jonas Salk who developed the polio vaccine) was a consultant for Bruce and Carole Hart and conducted the interviews for the animated children’s dreams segments on Hot Hero Sandwich. Also noted is the debut of 3-2-1 Contact, which also featured Hot Hero’s very own Nan-Lynn Nelson, in The Bloodhound Gang segments (which she discusses in her interview with the Hot Hero Sandwich Project).

Also of note, for the mighty New York Times, there are certainly a number of spelling errors. I note ten spelling errors (identified by [sic]), plus number of other errors in the spacing of cartoon character names which should have been easily verified by referring to network press releases or, dare I say, the TV Guide. To be fair, I would be surprised if the computer terminals used in the Times newsroom in 1979 had any spell-checking.

Definitely more of an article for those with an interest in TV history, and Saturday morning cartoons in particular, “For Children, a Few Nuggets Amid the Cartoons,” gives a comprehensive look at the Saturday morning television landscape in 1979 and provides more context to Hot Hero Sandwich.

_____________________________________________________

For Children, a Few Nuggets Amid the Cartoons
By Alexis Greene
New York Times, Sept. 2, 1979, pages 25 & 32.

New York Times Article, “For Children, a Few Nuggets Amid the Cartoons,” Sep. 2, 1979, page 25.

Amid all the ballyhoo over the new prime‐time schedules, little attention has been paid to the television fare being offered in one of the more controversial, not to mention lucrative, time periods for the commercial networks: Saturday morning. This is the time period that accounts for the highest concentration of programming aimed at children under 12. Indeed, of the 32 million American children from 2 to 11 who live with television sets, at some point during any Saturday morning at least 25 million of them are tuned to the three commercial networks. And, despite claims about the low advertising revenues derived from Saturday morning programming (the networks refuse to disclose precise figures), last year toy, cereal and candy manufacturers — the biggest buyers of advertising minutes surrounding programs aimed at children — spent $94 million at the networks for weekend daytime commercials. Yet, the content and style of the programming offered on Saturday mornings by the commercial networks continues to be the object of often stinging criticism from parents, educators, child psychologists and government officials.

“Saturday morning is the most depressing part of the whole broadcast scheme,” says Peggy Charren, president of Action for Children's Television. “The 2‐to‐11 age span is the most diverse period in human development, and that's why diversity is so important. But what the networks are doing for children on Saturday morning is an indication that we as a nation just don't care about our kids, that kids are all alike. ABC does a nice short‐story special — at the end of the schedule [“ABC Weekend Specials,” at noon]. CBS's ‘30 Minutes' is a nice show, but why are they burying it at 1:30 in the afternoon? The networks don't do anything except what worked last year or last week.”

A look at the forthcoming season's entries from the three networks would seem to justify Mrs. Charren's observations. Officially, the new Saturday morning schedules will go into effect next weekend (due to a strike by film animators, some of the new cartoons will not appear until later in the month) and, with the exception of NBC's “Hot Hero Sandwich,” little other than animated cartoons will be offered.

The NBC show, which will make its debut at noon on Saturday, Oct. 20, is a weekly, hour‐long exploration of adolescence. Created and produced by Carole and Bruce Hart, “Hot Hero Sandwich” (the title derives from the show's setting, the Hot Hero Sandwich Cafe, a combination luncheonette and disco) focuses on the pleasures as well as the frustrations of growing up. Each week, skits will dramatize such adolescent stumbling blocks as first dates and coping with school; “heroes” such as television actor Erik Estrada and the Rev. Jesse Jackson will discuss their own adolescent experiences with clinical psychologist Dr. Thomas J. Cottle.

For the most part, however, the Saturday‐morning schedules of the commercial networks for the forthcoming season evidence scant diversity and reflect little that could be considered fresh, innovative or experimental. For instance, CBS will be offering an animated hour of “The New Adventures of Mighty Mouse and Heckle and Jeckle” at 8 A.M.; ABC has scheduled a two hour animated‐cartoon package (9 to 11 A.M.) under the umbrella title of “Plasticman Comedy/ Adventure Show,” which features, in addition to the elasticized superhero of the title, such characters as Mightyman, Yukk, Fangface and Fangpuss. A half‐hour of this ABC cartoon package will include something called “Rickety Rocket,” in which four black teen‐agers run an amateur detective agency and ride a talking rocket ship. Every Saturday morning through Oct. 13, NBC has scheduled a block of five hours of animated cartoons, three‐and‐a‐half hours of which have been produced by a single supplier, Hanna‐Barbera. [sic]

“Cartoons are what we have found to work in terms of drawing an audience,” says Mary Alice (Mickey) Dwyer, vice president of children's programs at NBC. “Experience has shown us quite honestly that it is the exceptional live‐action show that works on Saturday morning. And for all of the good that we try to do, if we cannot draw an audience to our programs, then it doesn't matter. And that Saturday‐morning arena is an exceptionally competitive arena.”

Faith Frenz Heckman, CBS vice president of children's programs, maintains that a program such as “30 Minutes” would not get an audience if shown earlier on Saturdays. “It's not fair to put a show like that in competition with cartoons on other networks,” she said. “It wouldn't be viewed.”

Squire D. Rushnell, vice presfdent [sic] of children's programming at ABC, says. that “even if we took our ‘Afterschool Specials' and put then on at 9 on Saturday morning — if the kids have a choice between the ‘Afterschool Specials' and ‘Bugs Bunny,’ they're going to choose ‘Bugs Bunny.'”

There is, nonetheless, concern among some child psychologists as to what really attracts children to the cartoons they apparently watch so regularly on Saturday mornings, and there is worry that this particular style of animation may be detrimental to young minds. Dr. Aletha Huston‐Stein and her husband Dr. John C. Wright, who work at the Center for Research on the Influence of Television on Children at the University of Kansas, have found that the production techniques utilized in these cartoons may have adverse effects on youngsters.

“The Saturday‐morning programs, particularly cartoons, use a lot of what we call ‘hype,’ ” said Dr. Huston‐Stein in a recent telephone interview. “Just a tremendous amount of sensory bombardment: rapid changes of scene, visual special effects and, most important, loud music, beeps, sound effects.

“We showed kids cartoons that had a lot of those hyped‐up features but no acts of physical aggressison [sic]. We found that pre‐school children become overactive and negatively aggressive even after seeing cartoons that are just hyped up and full of noise.”

New York Times Article, “For Children, a Few Nuggets Amid the Cartoons,” Sep. 2, 1979, page 32.

Dr. Robert Abramovitz, associate professor of pediatrics and psychiatry at the Yale Child Study Center, believes that the kind of cartoons constantly shown on Saturday mornings inhibit a child's learning ability. “When I look at these programs,” says Dr. Abramovitz, “what I see is an audio‐visual element that's designed strictly to keep grabbing the attention of a child's perceptual apparatus, but none of that is designed to help a kid process information.

“It is well known that children up to 7 and 8 have short attention spans, but to then design programs around that fact is a crucial error. If you present programming that takes into account how slowly children process information.

NBC is trying something new with “Hot Hero Sandwich” (right) featuring skits about teenage problems. More typical children's fare is ABC's “Plasticman” cartoons. You can get them to concentrate for long periods of time. But what we're talking about with the Saturday‐morning line‐up is programming that's not age‐specific. The broadcaster is simply trying to gather the largest possible market in front of the set.”

Network executives contend that diversity can be found among the Saturday‐morning cartoons themselves. “If you l,” insists NBC's Mary Alice Dwyer, “there's not a similarity in styles. And we have looked for diversity in types of concepts: comedy, adventure, mytery.” [sic]

When Mr. Rushnell of ABC was queried about the lack of diversity on Saturday mornings, he replied that “the shows are different. They may not appear unique, even in the descriptions of them, but ‘Mightyman and Yukk’ is a unique show. ‘Plasticman’ is unique.”

Of course, the commercial networks' Saturday‐morning cartoon ghetto does have an alternative: public television. Beginning in October, WNET / Channel 13 will be offering, as is its practice, Saturday‐morning repeats of its daily children's fare: “Sesame Street”(all new episodes will be forthcoming only after Nov. 26), “Mister Rogers,” “Once Upon a Classic” and “Zoom !”

As far as the programming schedules during the week go, the picture for young viewers this fall looks a bit more varied and imaginative: CBS will be introducing three new dramatic series designed for youngsters, and the Public Broadcasting Service will be introducing two new series, one featuring discussions of personal problems and the other focusing on science.

“The CBS Library,” a new series of one‐hour dramatic productions designed for children 12 and younger, will .make its debut Sunday, Oct. 21, at 5 P.M., with “Once Upon a Midnight Dreary.” Starring Vincent Price, this suspense tale has been adapted from segments of children's stories and books: Washington Irving's “The Legend of Sleepy Hollow,” Richard Peck's “The Ghost Belongs to Me” and John Bellair's “The House With a Clock in Its Walls.” Subsequent productions will follow a similar format.

The “CBS Afternoon Playhouse,” tentatively slated to make its debut in November, will offer three hour‐long original dramas during the course of the year and one mini‐series consisting of five half‐hours (no titles were available as of this writing). The “pilot” for this series was the five‐part “Joey and Redhawk” telecast last December.

The third new weekday entry at CBS, a half‐hour series entitled “The Kids on the Block,” will use life‐sized puppets to dramatize the difficulties encountered by handicapped children. The first offering of this series is scheduled for late November.

The Public Broadcasting Service will be offering “Feelings,” a new 13‐part series of half‐hour programs with Dr. Lee Salk as host; it will have its local premiere on WNET/ Channel 13 on Oct. 6. Created for children ages eight through 14, the program will feature the noted child psychologist discussing with youngsters of all ages their attitudes and concerns toward such topics as sex, parents and why their offspring get into trouble.

Another new weekday public‐television presentation for children, this one for youngsters between eight and 12, will be a half‐hour introduction‐to‐science series entitled “3‐2‐1‐Contact”; it will make its debut in mid‐January.

Youngsters watching television on Saturday and Sunday mornings will continue to be exposed to a liberal sprinkling of brief messages about health, education and news. CBS is bringing back its “In the News” spots for their ninth year; these two‐and‐a‐half‐minute “drop‐ins” will be interspersed between the regular weekend fare. Every Saturday morning, three editions of “Ask NBC News,” one minute news‐analysis spots wherein children ask questions about current events and NBC reporters answer, will be interspersed with three segments of “Time‐Out,” 75‐second messages offering advice about physical fitness.

On ABC, the award‐winning “Schoolhouse Rock” series of three‐minute, animated, informational messages set to a comtemporary [sic] musical beat will return three times on Saturdays and once on Sundays. During the weekends, the same network will be offering “Dear Alex & Annie,” a five‐minute “advice column of the air” on personal problems. ABC's “Plasticman” series will be relieved by 30‐second consumer tips of particular interest to youngsters on such topics as the importance of reading labels and the necessity for critically viewing advertisements.

As to specials and returning series, entries this year will include NBC's “Special Treat,” hour‐long dramatizations of short stories (one Tuesday a month, at 4 P.M., starting in October). At 8 A.M. on Monday, Sept. 10, on CBS “Captain Kangaroo” will start his 25th year on television. Also on CBS, “The Festival of Lively Arts for Young People” will be returning for its seventh season; details of the first presentation were unavailable at press time.

ABC's dramatic series “Afterschool Specials” will begin its eighth season Sept. 26. These hour‐long plays are broadcast twice‐monthly on Wednesdays at 4:30 P.M. And beginning this fall, ABC's “Weekend Specials” for the first time will be telecast throughout the year. The first of a dozen new offerings in this half‐hour series is scheduled to be shown at noon Saturday, Sept. 15. “Kids Are People Too,” the 90minute variety/ talk‐show, will be returning to ABC for its second season next Sunday at 10 A.M.

Inasmuch as the networks seem content with the status quo of their Saturday‐morning programming, government pressure may be required to alter the content and style of what is offered during that time period. Appropriately enough, the Children's Television Task Force of the Federal Communications Commission for the past year has been investigating the degree of compliance with the suggestions made in the F.C.C.'s 1974 “Report and Policy Statement on Children's Television Programs.” That report had pressed for more programs for children on weekdays and called for increased diversity in the whole week's spectrum of children's programming. The Task Force will present its new policy options to the F.C.C. during the week of Sept. 17. Certainly, on the evidence of this year's schedule, the diversity called for in that 1974 report has yet to be seen on Saturday mornings.

●             ●             ●

Hot Hero Sandwich Project Archives: Commercials Run During Hot Hero Sandwich – WNBC, New York

by G. Jack Urso
 
Commercials run during Hot Hero Sandwich on WNBC, NY, Nov. 17, 1979. 

In conversations with various individuals who worked on Hot Hero Sandwich, there has been some complaints about the commercials run during the show and how aligned they were with the target demographic of tweens and young teens. Finding a copy of the show taped off-air to see what commercials were run were just as impossible to find as network copies of the episodes — or so I thought.

In this video of commercial clips assembled by Channel37.TV, an archive of video content created from rescued home video tapes, we finally get a peek at the commercials run during one of the Hot Hero Sandwich episodes. This is remarkable because while VCR’s were available in 1979, they were very expensive. I recall my local Sears was selling them for US$1,000 in 1980 (approx. US$4,123.33 in 2025), so finding a tape of an off-air copy of the show is a remarkable find.

What we discover being run at the Noon hour in the NYC market are largely cereal commercials advertising toy premiums inside the box, plus a couple Public Service Announcements (PSAs). This collection clocks in at four minutes thirty seconds. Since, at the time, hour-long shows ran about 50 minutes there should be about ten minutes of commercials here, so we can’t consider this a complete collection of commercial spots run during episode 2 in NYC, but it does give us some insight.

Commercials run during episode 2 of Hot Hero Sandwich on WNBC, New York include:
  • PSA: Volunteer Bureau, Federation of Protestant Welfare Agencies
  • Promotional Spot: Guinness Game
  • DC Comics Mini Comic Books (Post Peebles cereal box premium)
  • Fruity Peebles cereal commercial
  • Kool-Aid commercial (Grease parody)
  • 3 Musketeers candy bar commercial
  • Trix cereal commercial
  • Marvel Superheroes stickers (Trix cereal box premium)
  • Keebler Peanut Butter Sandwich cookies commercial
  • Frosted Rice commercial
  • Squirmles toy commercial
  • NBC PSA: How to Watch Television

See the clip provided above from the Hot Hero Sandwich Central YouTube channel.


●             ●             ●